> [Platt] > Well, dude, if you'll explain how your Kuhnian paradigm shifts have changed > Pirsig's metaphysics, Ham's philosophy or even Plato's Ideals (which a > physicist like Roger Penrose believes in) I'll be glad to listen. (I can't > speak for Ham, of course.) > > [Krimel] > I think he saw it but didn't have the tools to apply it. Again a finger > pointing at he knows not what. > > "Since a metaphysics is essentially a kind of dialectical definition and > since Quality is essentially outside definition, this means that a > 'Metaphysics of Quality' is essentially a contradiction in terms, a logical > absurdity. It would be almost like a mathematical definition of randomness. > The more you try to say what randomness is the less random it becomes."
[Platt] This strikes me as an ordinary paradox having nothing to do with paradigm shifts. > [Platt] > Offhand it sems to me you have your work cut out in showing how chaos > theory or whatever supports your moral allegiance to feeding the hungry and > healing the sick, a paradigm that's been around for at least 2,000 years. > > [Krimel] > So you think we as a people should ignore the sick and hungry? [Platt] We as a people should encourage people to be responsible for themselves. But what has that got to do with chaos theory? > [Platt] > And if as you say we instantly estimate probabilities at the pre- > intellectual level to get along in the everyday world of life and living, > why be concerned with some esoteric scientific paradigm regarding QM and > chaos theory? As you've agreed (I think) there is more to this world than is > dreamt of in the scientific worldview. > > [Krimel] > Because formalizing what we do instinctively improves efficiency. It betters > our probability estimates. [Platt] It does? Can you cite some examples where QM and/or chaos theory improves the efficiency of our daily lives? I haven't notice much improvement in weather forecasting over the years if that's what you have in mind. Maybe there are uses for the theories in scientific labs and engineering, but I can't imagine much application by me or the average non- technical dude. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
