> [Krimel] > I think he saw it but didn't have the tools to apply it. Again a finger > pointing at he knows not what. > > "Since a metaphysics is essentially a kind of dialectical definition and > since Quality is essentially outside definition, this means that a > 'Metaphysics of Quality' is essentially a contradiction in terms, a > logical absurdity. It would be almost like a mathematical definition of > randomness. The more you try to say what randomness is the less random it becomes."
[Platt] This strikes me as an ordinary paradox having nothing to do with paradigm shifts. [Krimel] Ordinary paradox? There's and oxymoron for you. Probability theory is a mathematics of randomness. As a said Pirsig sees where this elads but doesn't have the tools. > [Krimel] > So you think we as a people should ignore the sick and hungry? [Platt] We as a people should encourage people to be responsible for themselves. But what has that got to do with chaos theory? [Krimel] This has to do with morals, at the moment. At if people fail to be responsible for themselves? Fuck 'em? I have explained Chaos theory to you several times now. What part of it don't you get? > [Krimel] > Because formalizing what we do instinctively improves efficiency. It > betters our probability estimates. [Platt] It does? Can you cite some examples where QM and/or chaos theory improves the efficiency of our daily lives? I haven't notice much improvement in weather forecasting over the years if that's what you have in mind. Maybe there are uses for the theories in scientific labs and engineering, but I can't imagine much application by me or the average non- technical dude. [Krimel] Weather forecasting is enormously more accurate to today than it was even 20 years ago. I live in the path of storms I attend to such things. As I have told you before insurance, polling, market analysis, casinos, sports, advertising, hell think of any area of human endeavor that is not actively involved in formalizing its intuitions to improve its probability of success. Name anything that we do that is not about manipulating probabilities and patterns to remove uncertainty from our future. >From prayer in church to the Dow Jones average; this is who we are. It is what we do. > [Krimel] > Yes we should and have been generous to our enemies. We do embrace > Judeo-Christian ethics in this country. I rather like them. It is > Christian theology that tends to be problematic. [Platt] What about the theology do you find problematic? The existence of God? Jesus as God's son? Life after death for believers? All of the above? [Krimel] All of the above. But what about you? What kind of moral code do you see filling the universe, claiming that it is better to exist than not, but adding, tough titty on the poor and sick? Do you accept Christian theology and reject its ethic? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
