[Ham]
> My question, then, can be reduced to: What...gives rise to being?...we do not 
> have empirical
 > knowledge of what gives rise to being...Coming into being presupposes a 
 > primary cause or source.

If we "do not have any empirical knowledge of what gives rise to being",  why 
presuppose there is something that gives rise to being?  It just pushes the 
question back to where does the alleged            
primary cause or source come from?
Craig
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