[SA previously]
> > Bo, what is mystical?
[Bo quoting Pirsig]
> First Pirsig in LILA:
> The term mystic is sometimes confused with
> "occult" or
> "supernatural" and with magic and witchcraft but
> in philosophy it has a different meaning. Some of
> the most
> honored philosophers in history have been
> mystics:
> Plotinus, Swedenborg, Loyola, Shankaracharya and
> many others. They share a common belief that the
> fundamental nature of reality is outside
> language; that
> language splits things up into parts while the
> true nature
> of reality is undivided. Zen, which is a mystic
> religion, argues that the illusion of dividedness
can be
> overcome by meditation.
[Bo]
> As you probably know I am dubious regarding
> mysticism, such
> statements as "the fundamental nature of reality is
> outside
> language" is nonsense. IMO nothing is outside
> language .. when
> we apply language, or outside the paper when we draw
> diagrams.. etc. So - as I see it - mystics are
> people who don't
> understand what they talk about.
If you could only bring up points of discussion.
So, you don't like mystical due to it doesn't make
sense ("nonsense") to you, and because "mystics are
people who don't understand what they talk about."
Ok, so it doesn't make sense to you, and they don't
know. It would seem you don't know what mystics are,
and since they don't make sense to you - you reject
them. This is a silly argument, but so be it.
Mystics, by the way, use sutras (writings), koans
(conversations), and talk about what is happening in
their lives with the writing of books and giving
speechs, but... I guess they find language worthless
to you. I wonder what language means to you, if this
is not language. Language will help guide you to a
tree, but a tree is not words, but I guess you believe
that trees and birds are just language. How do you
touch trees?
woods,
SA
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