The quote below, I didn't include the source the first time, is from "Chan Buddhism" by Peter D. Hershock.
> Questions and comments for both Bo and Krimel as > follows: > > > [Bo] > > Well, my view is that comparing the MOQ to either > > Buddhism or > > Taoism is (not exactly wrong, but) unnecessary, > the > > MOQ > > transcends SOM in a way that leaves it less > > "mystical", more > > suited the Western - um - mind. > > > Bo, what is mystical? > > > [Krimel] > > Taoism is not part of Buddhism. Taoism is not > > necessarily mystical. ZMM is > > clearly rooted in Taoism. Pirsig states this > > explicitly not only in ZMM but > > in his letters to Ant. > > "Like Confucianism, Daoism was not solely a > philosophical system. In an interesting historical > accident, by the early third century B.C.E, perhaps > because the Daodejing had been drafted into the > service of Legalist thinkers arguing against the > Confucian model of statecraft, Laozi came to be > allied > with Huangdi, the Yellow Emperor, who was said to > have > brought humankind not only military, magical, and > medical arts, but also statecraft modeled on > objective > patterns in nature, not subjective morality. Thus, > in > spite of the Zhuangzi's explicit denunciation of the > Yellow Emperor, late-Han Daoism came to be > associated > with medicines, magic, spirit travel, and alchemy - > an > association that persisted in and became a driving > force of the religious dimension of Daoism that > developed from the second century C.E. onward." > > You see Krimel, if I'm not correct fill me in, > but I see you as Zhuangzi in this instance. Your > trying to uphold the Daoist tradition that Zhuangzi > and Laozi saw. You might disagree with Laozi and/or > Zhuangzi on certain issues, I don't know, but in > this > instance above Zhuangzi (an originator of Daoism) > saw > the legist and the Yellow Emperor as taking Daoism > somewhere Zhuangzi disagreed with. I don't know all > the details on this issue, but it would seem > Zhuangzi > pointing at the daodejing saying to the Yellow > Emperor > something along the lines of this helps relate > daoism, > and the religious connotation that became associated > with daoism is something Zhuangzi was explicitly > against (again, there may be certain aspects of this > religious daoism that holds some goodness, I'm not > sure, but Zhuangzi was getting at something here). > > > [Krimel] > > Lila, with its focus on SQ and DQ is clearly an > > extension of this Taoist > > line of thinking from ZMM. Where Yin is the > passive > > principle and Yang is > > the Active principle. > > Levels and speculations beyond these principles > are > > mostly centered on the > > "what if" games Pirsig plays after establishing > > this. > > > These "what if" games, are these projections, > rationals that help encourage certain perspectives, > but are not to be taken too literal? > > > > woods, > SA > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
