Krimel said to dmb: Honestly Dave I have seen no evidence that you have the slightest clue what my worldview is. I notice that you like to label me as this or that, so you can argue with someone else and I am chameleon enough to accept whatever label anyone cares to attach to me, from religious fanatic to besserwisser.
dmb says: Oh please. Obviously, the only "evidence" I have about your views is contained in what you post here. That's all I'm talking about, of course. Krimel said: I do take a bit of offense at the outcast thing. While I have on many occasions said fairly nasty things about Pirsig this is usually in the context of someone else's interpretation of what he has said or where I think he has sacrificed precision for clarity, or where he leads us right to the edge of insight then backs away. The truth is Pirsig's two book have influenced my thinking as much as any writer I can think of. This does not mean that I regard him as some kind of oracle or that I am not free to disagree or that I need to pepper my posts with rehashed quotes. dmb says: That's just silly. Nobody said disagreement is off limits or that Pirsig should be treated as an oracle. But, since you repeatedly and consistently advocate the very thing that Pirsig opposes, it is a bit hard to believe he's had much influence on your thinking. It seems to me that you either reject or fail to notice the point of his work. What is it you like about it, exactly? Krimel said: While you and others here emphasize the mystical Buddhist side of his writing I think Pirsig was pretty careful to keep it on the down low. I think he have done and excellent job of bringing Lao Tsu and Darwin together. And although I find his views on Darwin seriously misguided and his identification of DQ with Good misleading this is mainly because it has served to point some like yourself away from the real significance of what he has to say. dmb says: He's misguided about Darwinism and (as you've said elsewhere) misguided about Taoism and yet he has done an excellent job of bringing them together? He keeps the Buddhism on the down low? Yea, he likes to "hide" it in the titles and themes of his books. Dude, you've got to be bullshitting me! You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you. I'd bet that, aside from the quotes posted here, you've never read Pirsig. _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
