[Peter] > I listened to a tape of 'The Language Instinct' by Steven Pinker > the other day. One section brought home to me that subject/object logic is
> the basis of the intellect. Pinker shows how a dumb machine can perform > logical deductions; that given two sentences: 'Socrates is a man' and 'All > men are mortal' a mechanical apparatus can move the words around to > produce: 'Therefore Socrates is mortal'. That apparatus can always make > correct logical deductions given two sentences in the appropriate form. [Krimel] Elizajou was an early attempt at a program that could simulate human conversational interaction. Part Rogerian therapist and part Turing test poser it was a nice effort but easy to see through. Kurzweil believes machines will pass the Turing test within 25 to 50 years. The chief argument against machines being humanlike in the face of this, would be that they do not have human emotional responses. Since emotional responses are the products of evolution on a vast time scale and are functions that preserve the lives of organic beings it is questionable how valuable they might be to a machine intelligence. Steve: I don't see how this is an example that all intellect is subject object thinking. Where are the subjects and objects in this? I see this as an example that shows that not all thinking is S/O based. Artificial intelligence is a Platypus in SOM because we have an object (the computer) thinking while in SOM only subjects think. The MOQ can resolve this problem... [Krimel] I would suggest this is in part a product of the fact that we have no agreement on what constitutes intellect. To the extent that it is symbol manipulation then machines already have it. To the extent that it is stored 'knowledge', they have that as well. But as far as it being a platypus because an object is thinking; you are an object and you can think, right? [Steve] In SOM I think objects are physical substances while subjects are mental substances. [Krimel] Mental Substance? Is that an oxymoron? How much "mental substance" will fit in a shot glass? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
