Hi Krimel, > > Steve: > I don't see how this is an example that all intellect is subject > object thinking. Where are the subjects and objects in this? I see > this as an example that shows that not all thinking is S/O based. > Artificial intelligence is a Platypus in SOM because we have an > object (the computer) thinking while in SOM only subjects think. The > MOQ can resolve this problem... > > [Krimel] > I would suggest this is in part a product of the fact that we have no > agreement on what constitutes intellect. To the extent that it is > symbol > manipulation then machines already have it. To the extent that it > is stored > 'knowledge', they have that as well. But as far as it being a platypus > because an object is thinking; you are an object and you can think, > right? >
Steve: I suppose people are subjects and objects at the same time--another Platypus. I say it is a Platypus because for most people whether there is or ever will be artificial intelligence is an interesting question, while from an MOQ perspective, as you say, machines already have it. There is no question. "That's the mark of a high-quality theory. It doesn't just answer the question in some complex round-about way. It dissolves the question, so you wonder why you ever asked it." -- RMP, Lila. > [Steve] > In SOM I think objects are physical substances while subjects are > mental substances. > > [Krimel] > Mental Substance? > Is that an oxymoron? > How much "mental substance" will fit in a shot glass? Steve: I'm not sure what your quote of me was referring to, and I'm not sure what you are objecting to other than my word choice. I think I took this use of "substance" from Northrop when he was describing Locke's philosophy. Call it what you want. How many thoughts fit in a shot glass or how many shot glasses fit in a thought? The point is, in SOM terms they are different universes with no connection while the MOQ is able to relate them in a static hierarchy by demonstrating the two connecting terms of biological and social patterns. Regards, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
