Hi Ham, Ham: >This may be a silly question, and I know it's been discussed before, but I >have always been confused about Pirsig's use of "static" for S/O patterns >and "dynamic" for the Quality that supports them. And I suspect that I'm >not alone in this confusion. I've been told that DQ is dynamic because it >gives rise to patterns (or at least encompasses them), but that doesn't seem >to properly describe the unchanging foundational Quality, or the fact that >most patterns are experienced as changing or evolving in some away.
Steve: This is an interesting question. I don't think we should make too much of dynamic/static as changing versus staying the same. I think that in the phrase "static patterns of value" static is redundant, static just means patterned as in "analogues upon analogues." Dynamic means unpatterned but to just say that could confuse it with chaos. Dynamic quality isn't chaos but rather pure experience unfiltered through a web of analogues. >You folks call Biology a level, >rather than a pattern. But is the biological process by which a fertilized >cell multiplies, differentiates and becomes a living organism a static >pattern? Or are the the sperm cell, the egg, the embryo. the fetus, and the >infant each a separate pattern? Steve: They are patterns in the MOQ though it may be more clear to think in terms of processes or participation in patterns as you list cell multiplication, fertilization, life, etc. A level on the other hand is a collection of patterns of a given type rather than a pattern itself. Ham: >In other words, when does a pattern begin (from a level), I don't understand this question. >and are there any >patterns that may be regarded as dynamic? No. >It seems to me that everything >that exists is in some state of flux, moving from simple to complex, or >evolving from the lowest (inorganic) to the highest (intellectual) level. >If S/O reality is constantly changing, why are its components not dynamic? Instead of thinking of a pattern changing you could think of it being replaced by a new static pattern. >Tangential to this is another question. Chris suggested above that social >values may also be patterns. If this is true, does it mean that moral >precepts or emotional feelings like Awareness, Freedom, Love, Justice, and >Fear are social or intellectual patterns? Are these "intermediate states" >of recognized patterns, or are they only myths abstracted from Quality? Emotional feelings are biological patterns The others sound like intellectual concepts, patterns of thought. There are no intermediate states. the levels are discrete. Regards, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
