> Ron:
> I was not positing a center, it was merely
> an observation About how humans perceive this non
center reality. I
> get it.

SA:  Ok.  I don't know if you think this way or not,
but those that declare that the fourth level is the
individual level are morally centering the individual
human being as the center of the universe, except for
dq (but I don't know if they say except for dq).  Yet,
what they are saying is that the highest moral, the
best static patttern/manifestation is the human being
- this is declaring that humans are the center of the
universe.  I'd say this is an ego-inflation of the
human being.  Individuals are a generic term.  Hitler
was an individual, but we're not saying he was the
highest and best moral static pattern. 


Ron:
> This is where I've been coming from. I said in a
way,
> conceptually, reality from
> a human perspective is all we really can know about
> reality by way of
> this quality=value=experience. But does this
> quality=value=experience=
> reality itself?


SA:  Does quality reality itself?  Is this what your
asking?

Ron:  
> In my opinion it is not, experience
> is not reality. It is a form of
> Reality, it is reality filtered, condensed and
> exaggerated , by the
> human Body , certainly we do not sense nor
understand it
> in it's entirety As it flows. 


SA:  This is limiting the definition of what
experience is.  As Ian said in this thread, he doesn't
argue with an moq understanding of experience.  This
understanding of the moq has been difficult for some
to understand or they reject right off the bat and
don't try to understand it.  I'll start with a
question that may lead to more questions, but at the
moment this is the best way I know how to get your
frame of mind in accord with what I refer to as
experience.

     What does 'event' mean to you?

Thanks.

woods,
SA


      
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