Hej Christoffer
Christoffer Ivarsson wrote:
> Hej Magnus
>
> You wrote:
>> There you did it again. "So do we when focus is at that level". These
>> little
>> formulations from you are a constant reminder that you seem to only regard
>> the
>> levels as just different ways to focus a mind. When a mind is hungry, it
>> wants
>> to eat, when it's lonely, it wants to chat with a few friends, and when
>> it's
>> curious, it wants to make rational arguments. But the world is about more
>> than
>> just minds having different types of needs.
>
> I think you misinterpret this. Maybe not, but this is how I interpret it:
> Everything is Quality patterns, right, and these patterns are divided into
> four levels, mainly for this to be a functional thing to use. The patterns
> in them selves have different sets of Good and Bad, we all know this to be
> elementary, and if you hypothesise that the special thinking that comes from
> thinking about yourself as separated from the objects surrounding you is the
> 4th level, but that all levels function together, interdependent but with
> different realities - different ways of interpreting and responding to
> quality - this happens: All of the different levels will of course in
> general strive towards attaining what is deemed Good from their point of
> view (so to speak) and this they will always do. This is all elementary for
> us, but you wrote "When a mind is hungry, it wants to eat" I think you got
> the meaning of what is beeing said wrong - the way you are putting it is
> perhaps how a SOMist would put it, but not an MOQist. We say it is not so,
> doesn't we? Bodvar doesn't say this is so, I doesn't say it's so, and I
> haven't heard anyone here saying it is so. Because we are not SOMists. This
> IS however how an SOMist thinks about it.
Never mind how I put it. I know very well that a mind in MoQese is a very
complex thing. It's not a basic thing to talk about as it is in SOM, but we can
still use the term. It doesn't go away just because we talk MoQese.
But that's *not* the point. I can rephrase it if it suits you better and can
make you see the real message and not just the form:
There you did it again. "So do we when focus is at that level". These little
formulations from you are a constant reminder that you seem to only regard the
levels as just different ways to focus yourself. When you are hungry, you want
to eat, when you're lonely, you want to chat with a few friends, and when you're
curious, you want to make rational arguments. But the world is about more than
just you (and other people) having different types of needs.
> Does anyone say that a MOQ understanding of the world may be the 5th level?
> I think it may be so. It all fits very well anyway - and after all, that is
> the only way to deem a metaphysics.
Come on! Doesn't *anybody* here take the metaphysics aspect of the MoQ
seriously?
Please Christoffer. Start thinking for yourself, go out, look at things,
processes, buildings, people, dogs, what they do, what they say, everything.
Then try to make sense of what you see in terms of the MoQ. *Everything* has to
make sense. If one dog barks and you can't explain why, then your version of
the
MoQ fails and you have to change it. Then try again. Then look at movies and do
it all over again, look at old movies and new movies and especially Sci-Fi
movies, they're the real test.
> A ROCK - From a MOQ perspective - by the way - is a static inorganic
> pattern. It may also be used as an expression of social values depending on
> how it is used, and if the intellectual level is to look at a rock it would
> be - a rock, an object made up of matter. Whatever matter is ^__^
Good, but for some reason, Bo refuses to say this. He probably thinks I have a
trap set up for him. And BTW, not sure why you first say that a rock is an
inorganic pattern, then you say it's an object made of matter from the
intellectual level. Why is it two different things?
Magnus
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