Hej Magnus You wrote: >There you did it again. "So do we when focus is at that level". These >little >formulations from you are a constant reminder that you seem to only regard >the >levels as just different ways to focus a mind. When a mind is hungry, it >wants >to eat, when it's lonely, it wants to chat with a few friends, and when >it's >curious, it wants to make rational arguments. But the world is about more >than >just minds having different types of needs.
I think you misinterpret this. Maybe not, but this is how I interpret it: Everything is Quality patterns, right, and these patterns are divided into four levels, mainly for this to be a functional thing to use. The patterns in them selves have different sets of Good and Bad, we all know this to be elementary, and if you hypothesise that the special thinking that comes from thinking about yourself as separated from the objects surrounding you is the 4th level, but that all levels function together, interdependent but with different realities - different ways of interpreting and responding to quality - this happens: All of the different levels will of course in general strive towards attaining what is deemed Good from their point of view (so to speak) and this they will always do. This is all elementary for us, but you wrote "When a mind is hungry, it wants to eat" I think you got the meaning of what is beeing said wrong - the way you are putting it is perhaps how a SOMist would put it, but not an MOQist. We say it is not so, doesn't we? Bodvar doesn't say this is so, I doesn't say it's so, and I haven't heard anyone here saying it is so. Because we are not SOMists. This IS however how an SOMist thinks about it. Does anyone say that a MOQ understanding of the world may be the 5th level? I think it may be so. It all fits very well anyway - and after all, that is the only way to deem a metaphysics. And now I have to go back to exasperating over SOM historians trying to explain historical events whiteout seeing the importance of value. MVH Chris PS. A ROCK - From a MOQ perspective - by the way - is a static inorganic pattern. It may also be used as an expression of social values depending on how it is used, and if the intellectual level is to look at a rock it would be - a rock, an object made up of matter. Whatever matter is ^__^ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
