Quoting Christoffer Ivarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Chris > >> It is not communism that has done this, as you well know. When it comes > >> to > >> Russia it is just a continuing theme that the Russian rulers have been on > >> since the fall of East-Rome, and in other cases it is pretty much the > >> same > >> thing - nowhere has there been a grand scale communist rule, as it is > >> described by Marx and Engels, but a lot of variations of Leninism (which > >> is > >> NOT communism as such) have been twisted and built into older ruler > >> traditions of whatever country it has manifested itself. It is not > >> communism itself that has caused this, but rather catastrophic > >> interpretations of it and plain old Mad Rulers. > >> > >> Furthermore - Nationalism and Communism was never intended to be > >> combined, > >> that is also a corruption of the original thoughts. > > > You > > How about China, North Korea, Cambodia, and Cuba? All "catastrophic > > interpretations" of sweet, benign Marx and Engels communism? > > > Chris: > Umh, In a way yes. I don't have time to go into it right now, but the > Chinese interpretation of LENINISM has been suited for China, following it's > more than 3000 year old history of a hierarchical society, In Cambodia it > was tried to return to "Original communism" I.e. to reverse the historical > development (try to find support for THAT in Marx and Engels texts) North > Korea is just plain old military dictatorship, something that Cuba is a > slightly lighter version of - and even if some Leninists would argue that > Cuba has come further than any other communist attempt it is still mingled > with nationalism and as such it is not real Communism.
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