> [Arlo] > Can you think of any activity that is 'immoral" or "wrong" that is so > not because of a level conflict? > > [Platt] > Yes. I gave the example Pirsig gave that you deny as you explained below. > > [Arlo] > Again, the example you gave was certainly immoral because of a level > conflict (intellectual understanding versus biological hunger). If > you disagree, would you say then that it is immoral for a bear to eat > fish if berries are abundant? Is the bear aware of its behavior being > "immoral"? If not, then how can this immorality be contained within > the biological level?
You asked if "I could think . . ." So I told you what I thought. I wonder from the berry's point of view if it doesn't consider what the bear is doing to it as immoral. If I was a berry I would think so. > [Platt] > But if there are no immoral patterns within a level as you suggest, > then I presume one intellectual pattern is just as good as another. > > [Arlo] > Certainly not. Some are better. Just as I presume the bear eats the > fish because it is better (biologically) for it to do so. So there are moral conflicts within a level, assuming what is "better" is more moral. Surely the fish doesn't think its better (biologically) to be eaten. > [Platt] > Would you say that from a social level view that all social patterns > are equally moral? > > [Arlo] > Equally moral? I'd say that all social patterns are patterns of > social morality (by definition), but that some are better than others. > > "But in the Metaphysics of Quality all these sets of morals, plus > another Dynamic morality, are not only real, they are the whole > thing." (LILA) I'd say, again, that by definition a social pattern of > value is a social pattern of morals. > > When social patterns become "unequally moral" is only in their > conflict with the intellectual level, or in their inability to allow > room for Dynamic evolution. But both of these pronouncements of > "immorality" or "unequal morality" between sets of social patterns is > only visible from the intellectual level. And hence, conflict between > levels. When you say "better," do you mean "more moral?" Pirsig does. I do. Also, what about my question, "Is it possible to leave man out of the MOQ?" Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
