Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > It's too simplistic to speak of "anything that doesn't fall into S/O" > or "anything not containing subjects and objects". The many > patterns that Pirsig refers to as "intellectual" > > It says that what is meant by "human rights" is usually the > moral code of intellect-vs.-society, the moral right of > intellect to be free of social control. Freedom of speech; > freedom of assembly, of travel; trial by jury; habeas > corpus; government by consent-these "human rights" are > all intellect-vs.-society issues. > > ..are derived from the 4th. level regarding itself as OBJECTIVE > (truth) while regarding the social values as SUBJECTIVE (with > the reservation that intellect doesn't know any levels)
I think the rights spawned during enlightenment and the American revolution were rooted in a historical moment when meta-intellect, which also spawned the MOQ, burst through the darkness into the light of day. It's moment in the sun was all too brief, to be smothered by the SOM scientific mind-blanket. > In LILA the "mystics" are among those opposed to "doing > metaphysics" and thus in the same league as logical positivism, > albeit from different premises. I don't know when the "mystic" > term was coined, but I believe it was in Medieval times when > some individuals felt that dogma and rituals weren't enough for > their religious hunger, thus a Christian monk, a Muslim sufi and a > Hindu ascetic are all Q-social "dynamics" (if you must). But THIS > dynamism was not what brought on the intellectual level. And > intellectual "mysticism" was not what brought about the Quality > Idea on, but young Phaedrus who was the most intense > intellectual of his time. No, mysticism is stale, infertile, a dead > end. Yes, mysticism never fed a starving child. It's the last resort of utopian wishful thinkers. Regards, Platt ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
