Bo, Chris, Arlo, et al.
> Chris:
>> What about this: Isn't the different patterns supposed to be in
>> conflict? I mean, each pattern have different ways of "responding" to
>> quality, and as has been stated many many times "regard each other as
>> immoral" how can this definition work if we say that the intellectual
>> level is to look upon symbols as separate entities? The way I see it,
>> that isn't in conflict with anything. I mean, one can clearly see how
>> full fledged rationality may be in conflict with Social Patterns of
>> Value, but "the ability to manipulate symbols"? What is that in
>> conflict with?
>
> I can only say "amen", the level struggle (moral codes) is is one
> of the MOQ tenets most pregnant with the SOL interpretation.
> What threat can the social level see in the "manipulation of
> symbols" or vice versa what control of the social level is it in it for
> intellect? And how does the intellectual patterns that LILA lists
> emerge from the symbol manipulation (which is a definition of
> language anyway) .... and why didn't Pirsig spot these
> "anomalies"?
They don't always need to be in direct conflict. The upper levels use
the lower for its own purposes, and that may or may not be in direct
opposition to the lower.
In the example above, the intellectual level can use the symbol to
symbolize something else than the social level does.
An example: Bo and a friend goes skiing in the snowy hills of northern
Norway. Bo takes it slow and gets behind his friend. So when the friend
comes to a branch in the trail, he combines his need to pee with his
need to tell Bo where he went and draws a yellow arrow in the snow to
point Bo in the right direction. Now, if a wolf were to find this yellow
arrow, his social reaction would be that someone else has invaded his
territory. However, Bo realizes that the arrow is an intellectual symbol
and will follow the right trail.
I would say this shows quite clearly that the intellectual level can
interpret a symbol as something completely different than the social
level would.
Magnus
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