On 18 March 6:46 AM Krimel answers Joe: [Joe] <snip> [Krimel] My chief point is that consciousness is a product of evolution not its cause. Where you pinpoint the emergence of consciousness is of far less concern to me. [Joe] To repeat IMO Conscious/mechanical precedes evolution to the social level, and the intellectual level. Two further levels are only preceeded by consciousness. [Joe] <snip> [Krimel] I think wave lengths are a good metaphor whether of light or sound or water they displace both continuity and discrete intervals. Still I am no fan of esoteric literature. I would say for example that astronomers make better use of wave lengths than astrologers. [Joe] I think I have better taste! [Joe] <snip> [Krimel] Perhaps even especially here I would say consciousness is organic not mechanical. It allows the evaluation of circumstance and change in response accordingly; as opposed to a mechanical invariant response to programmed sets of events. [Joe] My contrast is between consciousness/mechanical. I previously stated I thought organic was mechanical [Joe] <snip> [Krimel] Again I think mechanical is a view best left to the past two centuries. Culture obeys the same laws of evolution as species do. The glasses change and adapt as each new individual tries them on and uses them. They are not fixed they are growing. [Joe] <snip> [Joe] Evolution changes laws. Evolution changes existence. Laws of existence are laws of change. The existence of a culture resides in the individuals. IMO that is too great a dependency on chance. Everything becomes meaningless in that metaphysics. [Krimel] The principles of evolution apply to the life of stars and galaxies and to individual behavior. They affect species and cultures. Evolution is about static patterns arising and persisting in the face of dynamic processes. [Joe] IMO
On 3/18/08 6:46 AM, "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Joe] ³Culture² and ³species² evolve differently. I do not think the law is > the same. A static and evolving culture indicates stable or changing > behavior in a changing environment. Maybe culture is an analogy to > evolution, a change in appearance, like changing my glasses. > Nah! Evolution means more than that. > > > [Joe] > Evolution changes laws. Evolution changes existence. Laws of existence are > laws of change. The existence of a culture resides in the individuals. IMO > that is too great a dependency on chance. Everything becomes meaningless in > that metaphysics. > > [Krimel] > The principles of evolution apply to the life of stars and galaxies and to > individual behavior. They affect species and cultures. Evolution is about > static patterns arising and persisting in the face of dynamic processes. > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
