Hi MOQers Or in MOQ terms you have to shut down all the SQ to get as full an experience of DQ as is possible.
DM > Hi Ham, > > Those questions weren't mine. > I believe that the Tao is beyond the realm of mundane experience. > The rational mind has to be quieted first and stillness has to be induced > to be able to encounter the Tao/Brahman. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ham Priday" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [MD] The Beginning of it All >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:51:45 -0400 >> >> >> >> Dwai on 3/10/08 wrote: >> >> >> > The last lines intrigued me - if not in world of finite experience, >> > where should one look for that esthetic or enhancing experience. >> > And maybe desire in the world of finite is not so good but desire >> > for THAT..., so a redirecting or in psychological terms >> > sublimation is a better idea. >> >> I assume the lines you refer to are these directed to Marsha: >> >> > I don't subscribe to the Buddhist idea that desire is the root >> > of all evil. Quite the contrary, what we desire expresses our >> > sense of value and is the driving force of human progress. >> > Without desire, human beings would be devoid of feelings or >> > motivation. Unable to discriminate between good and bad, >> > mankind would have no morality, and civilization would stagnate. >> > If there is an undifferentiated aesthetic continuum of Quality, >> > it is not to be found in the mundane world of finite experience. >> >> Yes, I believe this to be true. Human action follows choice, and choice >> is >> an expression of one's value sensibility. Hence, all voluntary actions >> are >> motivated by Value, and what we do in life as free agents reflects those >> values we choose to pursue for ourselves. When emotional choices are >> mediated by reason, behavior is made "moral" (in the collective sense of >> that word). Therefore, unless our actions are obligatory, or imposed on >> us >> by some external authority, we are driven by selfish values. But since >> we >> are also rational beings, most of us will temper our behavior to some >> degree >> by reason. That's why (borrowing from Ayn Rand's philosophy) I came up >> with >> the maxim "rational self-directed value". >> >> You ask where we must look for "that aesthetic or enhancing experience" >> which transcends the relational world. Where else, indeed, but in >> experience itself? >> >> Human beings are endowed with an exquisite sense of value, ranging from >> an >> appreciation of the arts, the beauty and order of nature, the dignity and >> intellectual perspective of man, and the insight that comes from >> understanding that each of us is an individualized microcosm of our >> absolute >> source. We can only experience reality finitely, as subjective beings >> negated (or divided) from the essential source. Because the locus of our >> existence is separated from this Essence, we are free and autonomous >> agents, >> capable of making our being in the world a reflection of our chosen >> values. >> >> Human beings are the "choicemakers" of this world. By realizing that >> value-sensibility is our existential reality, we can shape the world as a >> rational system in which all mankind will be free to optimize their >> individual value-sensibilities without fear of imposing their wants on >> others. The potential for such an ideal world exists here in existence, >> but >> we must have both the wisdom and the will to implement it. >> >> Thanks for your response, Dwai. >> >> Essentially yours, >> Ham >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
