On Monday 17 March 2008 11:24 AM David M answers Joe: Hi David M [Joe] To discuss ³consciousness² in psychological terms it stands in contrast to³mechanical². Nicoll gives the example of a young child given a pear with an ugly worm in it. He becomes afraid. If this is repeated there is a good chance the child will never like pears. This dislike is mechanical for the child. How useful is using ³conscious² and ³mechanical² when discussing the glasses culture hands us! [Joe] The eyeglasses that culture hands us are ³mechanical². Is ³mechanical² a useful term for discussing cultural behavior? The nation is composed of individuals. Are there mechanical nations, mechanical wars, mechanical societies, mechanical individuals? How widespread? DM: Seems tome there is a constant movement between conscious and unconscious/mechanical behaviour/patterns/customs/traditions. Hi David M and all,
[Joe] I do not know why I am so reluctant, and nervous to respond to your statement. The anonyms to ³conscious² are lacking. It is an individual experience. There are many anonyms to ³mechanical² in your ³Seems to me². Perhaps this is a tribute to a scientific outlook denying the validity of a conscious outlook. Why are they opposed? Pirsig seems to suggest undefined DQ can only have meaning to a conscious person. IMO constant movement between conscious and mechanical is suspect. Much of what I accept as conscious behavior is mechanical behavior. I cannot remember what I do from day to day. Memory is conscious. From the social level onward there is a dual evolution until the meta_MOQ level which is only a conscious level. Joe On 3/17/08 11:24 AM, "David M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi David M > > [Joe] > To discuss ³consciousness² in psychological terms it stands in contrast to > ³mechanical². Nicoll gives the example of a young child given a pear with an > ugly worm in it. He becomes afraid. If this is repeated there is a good > chance the child will never like pears. This dislike is mechanical for the > child. How useful is using ³conscious² and ³mechanical² when discussing the > glasses culture hands us! > > [Joe] > The eyeglasses that culture hands us are ³mechanical². Is ³mechanical² a > useful term for discussing cultural behavior? The nation is composed of > individuals. Are there mechanical nations, mechanical wars, mechanical > societies, mechanical individuals? How widespread? > > Joe > > > DM: Seems tome there is a constant movement between conscious and > unconscious/mechanical behaviour/patterns/customs/traditions. > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
