[Joe] Sixth, this is a repetition but I think it is important. Krimel injects reality with unpredictability but there is nothing to say that Krimel itself can not be defined or even quantified.
[Krimel] By golly we are on the same page after all. I would not have predicted that. On 3/22/08 8:56 AM, "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Joe] > I would like to be on the same page with you. Aristotle was the first > proponent of metaphysics. He called it ³what comes after physics². IMO the > laws of metaphysics can change the laws of physics. E.G., Persig > entertained a meaning for DQ which is undefined, that is only accessible to > metaphysics not physics. It is a Conscious/Mechanical difference. A > conscious being evolves differently from an inorganic rock. Different laws > apply. IMO the laws of order of evolution are found in existence, e.g., the > universe. Physics applies laws derived from the manifest in existence, and > denies an existential order to evolution. This denies undefined DQ. > > [Krimel] > Perhaps it is language differences or perhaps it is different world views > but I suspect we are not going to wind up on the same page. There are major > areas of difference in just this paragraph. First Aristotle never talked > about metaphysics. The term was applied to a collection of writings put > together by a later editor. > > Second, Pirsig says the Quality is undefined. DQ is an aspect of Quality. I > see no reason why DQ can not be defined as rates of change, energy > transformations, flow, charge etc. > > Third, you insist on the term mechanical which implies to me invariant. > Mechanical system are static and do not adapt well to dynamic change. > Organic systems on the other hand are defined by their ability to adapt and > remain static in the face of change. > > Fourth, yes a conscious being evolves differently from a rock but one rock > evolves differently from another rock and one conscious being evolves > differently from another. The laws are the same for all, only the > circumstances vary. > > Fifth, I do not think physics denies anything about the existential order. > Biological evolution is a description of complex systems emerging from the > laws of physics. > > Sixth, this is a repetition but I think it is important. DQ injects reality > with unpredictability but there is nothing to say that DQ itself can not be > defined or even quantified. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
