On Wednesday 19 March 2008 11:54 AM Krimel answers Joe: [Joe] <snip> [Krimel] Evolution describes the process of change it does not actively do anything. New laws may emerge from the evolutionary process but evolutionary processes do not change the laws of physics. Evolution is the dynamic response to those static laws. [Joe] I would like to be on the same page with you. Aristotle was the first proponent of metaphysics. He called it ³what comes after physics². IMO the laws of metaphysics can change the laws of physics. E.G., Persig entertained a meaning for DQ which is undefined, that is only accessible to metaphysics not physics. It is a Conscious/Mechanical difference. A conscious being evolves differently from an inorganic rock. Different laws apply. IMO the laws of order of evolution are found in existence, e.g., the universe. Physics applies laws derived from the manifest in existence, and denies an existential order to evolution. This denies undefined DQ. [Joe] <snip> [Krimel] Actually meaning arises from that metaphysics. It grows out of the organic process of the universe unfolding. You and I create meaning. It does not create us. [Joe] I agree there is a learning curve. DQ is meaning. I am somewhat aware of the meaning of my existence, and it is in someway different from the existence of a rock. I have different possibilities. That is not to say that I am not a rock!
On 3/19/08 11:54 AM, "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Joe] > Evolution changes laws. Evolution changes existence. Laws of existence are > laws of change. The existence of a culture resides in the individuals. > > [Krimel] > Evolution describes the process of change it does not actively do anything. > New laws may emerge from the evolutionary process but evolutionary processes > do not change the laws of physics. Evolution is the dynamic response to > those static laws. > > [Joe] > IMO that is too great a dependency on chance. Everything becomes meaningless > in that metaphysics. > > [Krimel] > Actually meaning arises from that metaphysics. It grows out of the organic > process of the universe unfolding. You and I create meaning. It does not > create us. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
