Krimel.

[Krimel]
I am no fan of clinical psychology in general or the DSM in particular. The
DSM as I understand it is a book full of labels to attach to symptoms and
its purpose is mainly to allow for efficient billing. But if you think that mental illness is just some cultural hoax to put down "religions of one" you
obviously have not met anyone with a serious mental illness.


That's not what I'm saying here. I'm pointing out that when diagnosing insanity it brings us to the core of the S/O split, resting on a knifes edge of it. Diagnoses are made not on knowledge that there is something wrong with people physically, but rather the assumption that there MUST be, since we have the whole idealism vs. materialism thing going on.

BUT THEN. Even if someone say's that it's a combination effect that creates madness, well, I have still not heard a single good explanation as to what a thought actually is - and how thought patterns that no one knows where, how or if they exist - can effect the tissue of the brain - if it has to???

Look, illness is a human concept, and doesn't exist in nature, and when you say that :

But people who hear voices demeaning them and urging them
to injury themselves are seriously ill. People who are so depressed that
even suicide seems like futile waste of effort have something medically
wrong with them.

I'd say that yes, we would assume so. And these people can, as you say, not be treated with philosophy as such - but bare with me here: it is a malfunctioning philosophy as the basis of science that makes it so much harder to treat these people, and that gives a huge amount of other side affects, so - with the basis of another philosophy that first and foremost could in a satisfying way define what madness actually IS, and then on that basis help develop the methods used to treat this Low Quality state.



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