[Bo] The point is that the SOM has no "bridge" between the two realms, you may pursue the mental to the end of the world and never will it turn physical and vice versa. And SOM's creating paradoxes by this "the twain shall never meet" yet meeting constantly is what the MOQ is out to mend by a different metaphysical split. But this is supposed to be known to people who discuss the MOQ and I am shaken to my foundations to learn how much many lack in being "house clean".
[Krimel] As Searle would have it that is like saying you could examine a bar of iron and never find solidity. Or you could put your hand in fire and not discover heat. I bet you think that light bulbs suck darkness. [Bo] You pay back my "insults", but here I am on solid ground. He does of course not call it a hoax, but it permeates the whole of LILA that he regards the psycho-industry to be a sham. Not being what it tries to appear as. It's real purpose is the said "immune system" attacking foreign "patterns". I deliberately don't say "foreign thoughts" because intellect is no thought level, but the very SOM that has the mental-subjective in one realm and the corporeal-objective in another with no bridge between them. And anything that threatens this arrangement is deemed ill. [Krimel] Just as Pirsig has an unwarranted love of DQ he does seem a bit harsh toward immune systems. But it is hard to see anything inherently bad about a functioning immune system. It is only bad when it turns on its host. Like many mental patients he seems to harbor resentment against his treatment and it is not hard to see why but he does not deny the need for the system and he does not imply it is a sham or hoax only that it acts in the service of the culture at large. [snip boring stuff] [Bo] Are we to start Bible lessons now? Also here I'm fairly sure, but this is not important you will understand my point. Do you know Michael Foucault? [Krimel] You are the one who keeps mangling the Bible. I would advise you to either read it or shut up about it. I know Foucault wrote a book on the sad history of Madness in 1961. I also know that as a combination of the success of pharmaceuticals, pressure from advocate groups and state efforts to reduce expenses; between 1976 and 1992 inpatient populations decrease by 77%. Over a 40 year period beginning about the time of Foucault's book, the United States reduced its number of state in-patient hospital beds from 339 per 100,000 persons to 29 per 100,000 persons, according to the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
