Ron: Hello Krimel, it is not often you and I disagree, I think linguistic statements of truth are the same as mathematical proof with the exception That mathematical proof utilizes axioms whereas legal proof utilizes Law. Logic is all about certainty in expression of meaning. Russell took half of Principia Mathematica to prove the axiom of addition. Mathmatics may be more accurate and precise but it's methods are the same. The establishment of a true statement through objective argument. Whether that argument is expressed through language or symbol. Math is an objective argument Much like a legal objective argument, only in legal argument sophistry Is permitted. But have you ever read a legal document? It is as objectively Specific as language can get with the whole idea of establishing certainty.
[Krimel] My point is that mathematical symbols, the properties they have and the operations that can be performed on them are unambiguous. To the extent that you and I understand them, we understand them in the same way or not at all. There can be no argument between us as to the correctness of our mathematical thinking. This was the dream that Russell and Whitehead pursued. If mathematics could be shown to derive purely from logic then perhaps philosophy and mathematics could be united. Unfortunately they failed in this effort and Gödel offered a mathematical proof as to why this was so. Legal proof employs a much fuller range of the tools of justification. The standard of truth is reasonable doubt. Lawyers use reason and logic but they work equally hard to make emotional appeals. Legal documents are full of weasel wording and the illusion of specificity because that's the way the law works. It is an attempt to substitute language for meaning. And it is why Jesus railed against those who paid heed to the "word" at the expense of what is "written" in the heart. What is written in the heart is scribed with emotion and a sense of justice and the perception of Quality. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
