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From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Chance
Krim: It allows an purely naturalistic universe in which things
evolve slowly from the bottom up.
DM: Does anyone here disagree?
[Krimel]
I suspect some do but do they? Anyone? Anyone?
[Marsha]
I do not like the top-down or bottom-up model. I like the Net Of Jewels
Model: The universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is
only the reflection of all the others in a fantastic interrelated harmony
without end.
[Krimel]
Could just be me but this makes not a bit of sense. I can't for the life
of me see the middle way between top down and bottom up leading anywhere.
Marsha
I haven't taken the net of jewels model to represent the middle way. It's
how I see it, 'interconnected reflections', or interconnected, overlapping
patterns. I have never been terribly comfortable with a hierarchical
structure because it forbids the possibility of overlapping categories.
Though, it is favored in the sciences, isn't it? And very patriarchal.
Besides, where is it you want to be lead? Who's on top? How utterly
boring?
[Krimel]
As long as I can pitcher rather than catch I don't care what position I
play. But it is still hard for me to see how a metaphor about the
decorations surrounding a Hindu god's palace explains the origin and
evolution of the universe. Neither does it seem a good way to sidestep
patriarchy. Indra's a god dude after all and isn't Hinduism the home of
the
caste system? How hierarchical is that?
Greetings Krimel,
A baseball metaphor? Isn't that a sport where money and steroids are tossed
around?
You asked about models other than top-down/bottom-up? I presented the one I
find useful. For me, the words 'reflection' and 'interrelated' are key. I
seem to be consciousness on the move, so I don't have a solid, convincing
argument. The logic behind emptiness seems an interesting explanation.
Emptiness is more appropriate associated with Buddhism's middleway. - I'm
going to ignore your reference to Hinduism, religion doesn't make any sense
to me. Yet the net of jewels model makes perfect sense. Painting is more
like my religion.
Marsha
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