Hi DMB

I think I understand your point of view. And I am as fearful of fundamentalism as the next man, although their numbers can be somewhat exaggerated. But don't you think attacking religion more generally is a bit of a hopeless case? Now that you have nearly grown up don't you think you need to start asking yourself how you are going to find a better way to live with religious people and encourage them to embrace the better forms of religion that are available? Is there not a possibility for getting religious people to think about religion in more MOQ type terms than the sort of pseudo-science fundamentalist terms that claim they have evidence and certainties and subjective-values of their own. Does not MOQ mean that values need to be recognised, discussed and debated and criticised as part of our approach to reason? And if we admit this do we not have to admit to the debate religious values for discussion and critical reflection too? To my mind, the secular ban on religious thinking has made fundamentalism possible because it such a ban fails to subject values to critical discussion. Now see if you can resist the knee-jerk reaction and just see if trying this suggestion has some value. You know Dave what is the alternative? A secular crusade? My proposal is that we have to talk to all comers, and we are going to have to learn to accommodate diverse values, and so will the fundamentalists,
the alternative is not nihilism but annihilation is it not?

David M



dmb replies:
That's true enough but that's not really the problem I'm talking about, which is the alienating effect of the prevailing mythos. Philosophers talk about it but there is also a bumper sticker I see from time to time. It says something like, "a tiny speck in a ruthless universe". That's what I see in the rush hour battle of the christian fish against darwin fish and in a gazillion other places. Ever notice how christian fish types drive too slowly and don't mind at all about being in the way? That cracks me up because its such a nice metaphor for their role in the culture.
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