Ham:

I enjoy dialoguing with you, mostly because you keep and open mind and 
strive to make disparate concepts accommodate the "general scheme" of 
Pirsig's philosophy.  This is also what I tried to do when I joined this

forum back in 2002.  If I am to contribute anything to this discussion, 
however, it will be to point out the differences and what I see as the 
shortcomings of the MoQ with respect to my philosophy of Essence.  I 
sincerely hope you can  understand and appreciate my position, despite
these 
differences.

Ron:
I most certainly do, I respect your aim and your concepts, I just hope
You understand that I am not attacking you just exploring the finer
Aspects of difference.

Ham:

The universe is amoral IN ORDER THAT the value agent can freely choose
what 
is good or bad for itself, relative to its source and its world of 
difference.  This is what I see as man's role in life.  It's the only
way 
freedom and morality make sense.  Ultimately, the individual self
reclaims 
the value estranged from him at creation, completing the circle of 
existence.  Surely you don't equate this with Theism?

Ron:
Well it does have a theistic ring to it. Which I am not opposed to, it
answers the questions that theology tends to address. I don't know,
Maybe I have a similar theory that I am so comfortable with that's
It's something that's a non-issue for me that it might be for others.
Perhaps I have a blind spot in this regard.


Ham:
>From my perspective Bo was too betoken with the Quality hierarchy to 
consider my metaphysical position, although he at least acknowledged
SOM as 
man's reality.  That such an accommodation "isn't needed" is a matter of

opinion.  IMO, SOMETHING is needed to provide the MoQ with a
metaphysical 
foundation.

Ron:
Perhaps this is something we can work on together.

Ham:
Thanks for allowing us another round, Ron.  Please give some thought to
the 
points I've made above about Freedom and what qualifies as a free agent.

Ron;
I certainly will, thanks Ham!






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