Squonkmuse and all: Squonkmuse said: 1. The moq states that DQ is real and moral. 1a. The moq states that static patterns block DQ. 1c. Proposition B: Some static patterns are more dynamic than others. 2. Those static patterns which are more dynamic maximize DQ and potential for further evolution. 3. It is therefore a moral imperative to promote 2. 4. Proposition C. Mystical experience (of DQ) does not come through the sense organs. 5. Sense organs are therefore not required. 6. Isolating organic brains from sense experience on an industrial scale prevents static patterns from blocking DQ.
dmb says: Excellent! That's pure genius! In order to maximize DQ, we should also break the eardrums and pluck out the eyes of all the babies in the world. I guess we'll have to chop off their ears, cut out their tongues and flay them as well. With all five of the senses out of the way, they'll experience pure DQ for their entire lives, which will likely be less than five minutes. Industry could invent machines that do this all at once. Think of the jobs it'll create! But seriously, static patterns preserve our world, preserve the advances that have been dynamically generated in the past and they constitute our very being. Sure, static patterns can be too rigid or too dominant, but they are entirely necessary. I think when Pirsig says some static patterns are more dynamic than others he's referring to the basic idea behind the hierarchy of levels. You know, the four levels of static patterns and then the code of art on top of that, which more directly involves DQ. Mystical experience, evolutionary changes and creativity and the other DQ events can't be treated as easily as those ranked static levels. All of that static stuff has to be in place and more or less functioning before there's any kind of developmental growth, innovation, inspiration or whatever. It is not that we can do without a mind or sense organs. They are necessary but insufficient conditions of this "art". I mean, if mystical experience is a mind-blowing event and you think its important to have that experience, then the first thing to do is get a mind. Finally, if you want to isolate your brain or put it in a vat, you should probably first understand that it's gonna hurt some. And it'll probably leave a mark. Fair warning. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
