Hi SA, snipping liberally again, but hopefully not snipping the best bits...
s: > 2. Pre linguistic brains that are to be maintained in a > state of pure immediate experience of unmediated DQ > won't need secondary stimulation provided by sense > organs. SA:? Wouldn't this lead to feral children?? Feral brains in vats?? Our brains are not set-up for this at the moment it would seem. s: If the human brain is a neural net then the neural net may be able to configure itself to anything? Neural nets may be the key to pure immediate unmediated direct experience of DQ? s: > 3. It is the secondary sense organs that build up the > static patterns that block pure immediate experience of DQ > in the first place, unless you wish to insist on a > Wilberian pre/trans fallacy. > I am not sure it is a good idea to use Wilber to support > Pirsig. SA:? I hope you realize, I didn't use Wilber to support Pirsig, maybe I did indirectly with the Zen koan, not sure, never read Wilber. s: I know who invoked?KW SA, and it was not you. SA: ???? Secondary sense organs build up static patterns and this in no way takes away from the experience of dynamic quality.? One's effort might, but not these static patterns in general.? Effort is a static pattern and I do see how biological sense organs allow static pattern cultivation, but tie in the 'feral child', the Zen koan (the mountains are again mountains), and now we can live static patterns and the static patterns can be realized to be dynamic quality; this is what I'm talking about.? We can discuss static patterns, master them (not in a war-like way, talkin' peaceful intentions), and see static patterns as something generative that can help us communicate dynamic quality. good discussion, SA s: 'feral' and 'child' and all symbolic language either social or intellectual would not be involved, only immediate experience of DQ. Thus, sq is mastered i should think. squonk Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
