Hi SA, Well this experiment is blooming and i would wish to keep things centred on the moral dimension if you are agreeable SA? Here we go...
SA:? What is difficult, and thus the "disagreement" on my part, is this sci-fi rendition, which would make an excellent anime, yet, if you truly want to take the next step and do this industrial scale brain in vats, it would seem too early, a hasting of evolution.? Do we need brains in vats this very moment?? If we continue with the thought-experiment pattern, and put aside on actually making these brains in vats, then it is the thought, the pattern that your trying to communicate that I would be interested in. s: Well, i think what TE1 is looking at is the superannuating of homo sapiens: Intellectual patterns would continue to evolve in quantum computers (because they will be able to do it more dynamically) but the human social level would be sacrificed for pure immediate experience of DQ. SA:? It's this distracting "brain in vat".? This is why I propose we get rid of this hang-up, and talk about this thoughtful "secert", the message behind all of this - "something regarding sq and DQ".? Now I'm for that. s: All i've ever done is talk in terms of DQ/sq. Metaphors and stuff were brought in by others. ? > Squonk: > > The mechanics is not all that relevant, because what > the experiment is concerned with is the 'blank > slate' a biological Human brain provides. > > To get bogged down in the nitty gritty of how and why > and do you mind if you don'ts is trivial; let's > begin with a blank slate human brain. Let us refer to this > blank slate as a group of static biological patterns. > > We may have reason to believe that this state of > static biological patterns has direct access to DQ unmediated > by additional social and intellectual static patterns, > or, to use David's term, a 'mind'. > > It has been argued that babies experience the same Zen > > state that Zen masters prescribe. > > It has been argued that this state is that which many > > people try to reach when they are being creative, or > use substances to demolish static patterns of the mind. > > If a mind can choose to do this, and if that choice > has a metaphysical basis, then the thought > experiment?enquires if > > doing it on a large scale is a moral imperative??(see > the thought experiment itself). SA:? Difference between babies and Zen masters, Zen masters, for one, can talk about their experience.? This talk is Zen too.? Static patterns are Zen.? Dynamic quality is Zen.? Zen doesn't see a difference, and Zen recognizes a difference.? I like 'sq is dq' 'dq is sq' s: Then better sq is better DQ better DQ is better sq. But DQ can't be better because it simply is. Therefore, this is not symetrical. See? > squonk: Social and intellectual patterns are breed in real > time applications and the 'vat' used is called > Culture. SA:? yes, thoughts are real time participance's.? Curious, has "vat" meant all this time "culture".? If so, this is the secret language I'm talking about.? If not, and your introducing something to the discussion, then I understand.? I was beginning to think, this thought-experiment, as you recently mentioned, what's up in the air, open to anything, true? way out here, SA s: vat can be a metaphor for culture. In a sense, DQ is a vat for sq isn't it? Try anything you like, because it may lead to something good SA. squonk Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
