[dmb]
> I really don't think we should pretend to be above "isms" and I think it is
> extremely unhelpful to pretend there is no difference or that they all
> belong on the social level.

Agreed.

[Pirsig]
> Communism and socialism, programs for intellectual control of society,
> were confronted by the reactionary forces of fascism, a program for the
> social control of intellect.

International socialism/national socialism--not a lot to choose from.

[dmb]
> the New Deal is classic American liberalism and the conservative
> movement - along with the boys from the Chicago school of ecomonics -
> has been taking it apart bit by bit for decades.

Thankfully.  The challenge for us at MD is to present the intellectual
backing for the 2 systems & to evaluate which has the higher value.
Craig 
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