How arrogant (or tongue in cheek) do you wanna be DMB, You rhetorically say you won't accuse me of drivel, using the word drivel ;-) I think you'll find that's drivel, no sorry I mean rhetoric.
The respect I mention is not presuming you are the only one with understanding and valid arguments ... breathtaking personally offensive arrogance. So to the meat. Yes, one can "skirt-around" one subject temporarily - whilst trying to address another subject - it's called a sense of priorities, proceeding carefully, getting to the main event, etc. And by the way. It's also called walking on eggshells. Like I am holding off calling for your personal offensive style to be moderated - in the hope that you'll notice your error if I give you enough points of agreement to to actually build on constructively, instead of incessant personal attacks. That's rhetoric too BTW. Sorry if my trying to achieve constructive arguments makes you mad. Ian On 7/16/08, david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ian said: > My own unwillingness [to discuss the levels in terms of "isms"] is strictly > temporary - I'd be as terrified of the Victorian "sterility" as much as you - > resolving conflict is what we're about. I really do believe that choices of > "governance" are the No.1 issue and if we avoid the existing isms, we will be > merely skirting around the issues, rather than addressing the conflict. > > dmb says: > Look, I'm trying to be civil and I'm trying to stick to the relevant quotes > and ideas. I'm trying to avoid using words like "drivel" but look at what > you're saying here. You admit that you're at least temporarily unwilling to > discuss isms in the first sentence and then admit in the second sentence that > such a stance is "merely skirting around the issues". What is the point of > temporarily skirting the issues? Your attempts to hold both positions at the > same time isn't diplomatic or balanced. Its just contradictory non-sense. And > speaking of skirting around things, why are you not addressing the content of > my remarks, the quotes I pulled and the case I made? > > Ian said: > ...I can't see how a liberal is ever going to change the mind of a > conservative or vice-versa, if each is able to hide behind social level > arguments. The only "respect" I'm looking for is for the significance of the > levels in Pirsig's model. If changing minds (our own or others) is not the > objective then what is? > > dmb says: > Hide behind social level arguments? If somebody tries to do that then all we > can do is expose those arguments for what they are. Critical analysis of > assertions made is the name of the game. Any kind of philosophical discussion > depends on the ability to discern valid arguments from bogus arguments. If > some folks can't do that very well, then that too will be revealed. In other > words, you can run but you cannot hide. We all have eyes to read with. > > Ian said: > If the argument becomes one of alternative isms winning or losing, then the > force of rhetorical power will win - and you, DMB will win hands down, and > Platt will simply barefaced deny it ;-) > > dmb says: > The force of rhetorical power will win? Yea, right. It's not because of any > understanding of the MOQ or the ability to make a case. No. Of course not. It > has nothing to do with valid arguments of having the facts. Its just that I > have magical rhetorical powers that can put people under a spell. Yea, that's > it. Its all an elaborate trick with words, not to be taken seriously, just > like those old sophists, eh? > > Man, you make me crazy! > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
