dmb said previously: I think that definitions are essential when one is doing metaphysics and that the differences between social and intellectual values can be discussed in conventional terms, not least of all because the differences themselves are conventional. ...the conflicts between social and intellectual values are legal, political, sociological, historical and military conflicts. ...
Ian replied: DMB has the advantage that he has moved on to a level where he can see that talking in SOMist (conventional) terms about the (largely historical, political etc ...) levels is exactly that, just a matter of convention, and not allow it to confuse his thinking about the MoQ itself. ...It just means we (jointly) haven't found a way to exchange views (using these SOMist conventions) that doesn't confuse what we actually express about the MoQ "subject" under discussion. dmb says: Sigh. You've confused things once again. The levels of the MOQ are about conventional reality, static reality, but they are offered as a cure for the intellectual paralysis wrought by SOM. They are meant to replace SOM, to take away its metaphysical status and put it in a wider context. To talk about the levels in conventional terms is not at all the same as talking in SOM terms. In fact, one of the central problems with SOM is that there is no social/intellectual distinction, the distinction at the center of these discussions. There is nothing particularly SOM about definitions. The work of James, Dewey and Pirsig is full of definitions even while they are rejecting SOM. Your comments make no sense to me at all and yet you've attached my name as if I'd said it or agreed with it. Neither is the case and I'll ask you to leave me out of it, to please keep your drivel to yourself. Can I get you a bib? _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
