Bo:
Ireland IS a member of the EU, it was the referendum on the new
constitution that they rejected as did The Netherlands and (was it
France?) last year. Ireland was a backward place when it joined but
now after having reaped the benefits they don't want to strengthen the
EU. Much like Europe in general being helped by the Marshall Plan
after WW2 and then turning against the USA. OK, there may be many
sides to this.
woods:
Oh, thanks for the correction Bo. Do you know if
these countries want to stay in the EU? What I'm seeing
then is the EU constitution signing is the political step, whereas,
the joining of the EU was an economic move? Are all the Scandanavian
countries in the EU? And if yes, how far? Have they signed onto
the EU constitution?
How much does the EU constitution centralize power in Brussel's? What
political move would this open up?
Bo:
As said, highly interesting, however IMO the murder of Fortuyn and
Van Gogh was the Muslim immigrants who believe that their religious
codes are to be implemented in Western Europe. A Norwegian
publisher was shot after launching Rushdie's "Satanic Verses". Who
did it has never been discovered, but surely a fanatic out to execute
Khomeini's "fatwah".
woods:
Who's Khomeini?
Bo:
Even if the goods is made in China it has the same effect as cheap
labor and this I believe is unavoidable, it will force Holland as well as
Norway to develop new fields. The Chinese may even come in person,
they never impose their customs on the hosts (none South Asians do)
woods:
So much in common between Western Europe and U.S. Didn't know
all these common policy problems existed to such a degree. I don't
hear about this much. Good discussion.
In the U.S., we have the cheap labor issue, too.
With California in a debt situation where this state is asking for
a Federal gov't bailout from Washington, D.C., it has been calculated
that all the free health care given to illegal immigrants from the south,
mainly through Emergency Room entrance into the California hospital's,
if stopped would pay off the California debt and more maybe.
Are the immigrants coming into Holland and other European countries
doing so legally and not strapping, pulling down the resources of political
entities?
Bo:
Lots of sense, hope mine does and I don't sound like a
crypto-fascist...... like I did to DMB.
woods:
Lots of sense. Thanks Bo.
Bo:
This depends on how the intellectual level is interpreted - as well as
the social. As said, resenting foreign labor and/or cheap imported
goods is hardly a longing for a social-values-run-society. THAT would
more likely be the Medieval feudal system where each person had
their fixed positions sanctioned by God. At least this is something
different from the Fortyun and Van Gogh issue where intellectual value
is threatened by the true social values of a God-(Allah)-sanctioned
order.
woods:
interesting.
Thanks Bo for the help.
woods
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