Hello Bo, I had said: > MoQ is a thought, a theory about reality, is it not?
Bo states: Whoa! Here is the crux. The MOQ rejects the subject/object distinction - of which "thought/reality" is a sub-set - and introduces the Dynamic/Static (Quality) distinction as existences fundament. Ergo there are no thoughts as different from reality in the MOQ. All S/Os are relegated to its 4th. leve ... IMO > therefore it is a static conception. No, the DQ/SQ distinction is the MOQ itself and cant fit into one of its own lesser parts (the container logic) Ron: The Self referential logical statements you are referring to apply to a allopoietic systems of thought or SOM. MoQ is based on An autopoietic system. "a self-referential situation is the one of autopoiesis, as the logical organization produces itself the structure which creates itself.. In classical SOM metaphysics, self-reference is subjectivity, while "hetero-reference", as it is called is objectivity."-wiki Consequently Bo, when one rationalizes with classical intellect, SOM, one will run into this paradox and the need for meta-levels. From the persective of SOM, MoQ IS a logical meta-level as far as the classical formation of logical systems goes. Alas, MoQ is no classical logical system and as seen from the MoQ perspective, SOM and MoQ are one of many menus in an autopoietic logical system. As Pirsig stated, it takes MoQ off the logical chess board by challenging the very chess board, pieces and rules, the very fabric of the game. Thus those who speak in this sort of logical expression are interpreted by classical logic as paradoxal for this method uses self refferential statements. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
