Hi Mati
5 Nov. you wrote:
> Well part of the reason I put the scalpel down was that it really
> wasn't needed. You see when we discuss intellect = SOM the historical
> question is when it occur, there is general concensus that it happened
> sometime around the Greeks of Aristotle's day or shortly before. The
> reason = SOM could bring up the question of that reason existed ages
> long before Greeks and Aristotle. But it was Aristotle's SOM that
> created the static latch that evolved out of philosophy realm into
> scientific realm. Old news.
Yes, reason arrived along with objective TRUTH ("subjective" its
necessary scapegoat) and as this cemented into SOM it became
thinking itself. Those who rejected it were superstitious, backward,
irrational non-thinking fools.
> Intellect today is all around us and we know it.
We ought to at least, but intellect's tentacles are tough and even Pirsig
wasn't able to free himself from them by his insisting that the MOQ is
an intellectual pattern. It started as one, but then took off on a purpose
of its own
> We also knew just as Pirsig implied in ZMM that we today know that
> innately that Rationally or Intellect does not fully address the
> reality we want to understand. Then I read Ron praise of Ham's
> statement that "Ultimate reality is not defined by either SOM or MOQ.
> It is not subject or object, relations or difference, but is the
> "potentiality for difference"" This is so true but there is a hitch, we
> have as a natural intellectual habit, wish to extrapolate meaning from
> ultimate reality, and when we do so, urgo goes ultimate reality. We
> use the metaphysicdal scalpel, whether SOM or MOQ to further define and
> garner deeper meaning.
I doubt if it's "intellect" (the level) that wishes to extrapolate meaning (if
you mean "interpret experience") Social level people interpreted it
through their mythological glasses. Intellect forces us to use the S/O
glasses that among other creates the menu/reality dualism.
> As to what does the future with Obama bring? Hard to say, but for
> today many are hopeful. For the past 8 years of yesterdays America has
> not been its finest. But it is certain that our challenges of tomorrow
> will require the wisest use of our intellect both SOM = Intellect and
> MOQ = Neo intellect.
Neo intellect ... must you? Otherwise agreement.
Bo
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