Mati, DMB, Yes, yes, yes, it is good rhetoric that changes reality for the better.
The Pirsigian project of restoring rhetoric to its rightful place achieved. Communication for good ... thought AND speech ... I like that DMB. Ian On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:42 AM, KAYE PALM-LEIS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bo, Gav, Ian and all, > > Gav I certainly understand your cynicism and it is well founded. > Washington has become so static in various social bi-partisanship > dominated by the Republicans over the past 8 years it is sad. Bush > has shown such a lack of leadership that the US presidency vacuum of > any true power and leadership. It is my hope that Obama gets this and > will do better. I am betting that Obama will be one of the most > watched and followed president we have had. I hope that he will lead > with quality. > > Ian wrote, " I genuinely believe Obama is well-intentioned, > well-adjusted,intelligent, pragmatic, compassionate, etc and that he > knows rhetoric from reality .... and I suspect sadly he is lready > hamstrung by theongoing economic realities. But what should we do to > help real change > for the better ? > > Mati: Yeah you said it well. But that is the beauty of true > leadership in action in that it can transcend various realities and > reconstruct its own. Yes the economic condition is hurdle to be > reckoned with, however real change for quality is possible given a > vision and willingness and intelligence to persue it. Lets see what > Obama has to offer. > > Bo, you wrote: "We ought to at least, but intellect's tentacles are > tough and even Pirsig wasn't able to free himself from them by his > insisting that the MOQ is an intellectual pattern. It started as one, > but then took off on a purpose of its own. > > and > > "Neo intellect ... must you?" > > Mati: My apology but I couldn't resist. I am in agreement that MOQ > was born from intellect and is not intellet SOM, but it does function > as a new metaphysical tool that functions in some cases like SOM in > that it we use it as a philosophical/reflective tool to delineate and > define reality. To just say MOQ is MOQ and not intellect doesn't > discribe how it functions (or it own purpose) or gives us a basis to > understand its difference. Perhaps Neo Intellect isn't perfect but I > thought it wasn't a bad shot. My father used to love to share the > Estonian saying "to do better is never forbidden." :-) > > Mati > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
