Ron.
11 Nov. you wrote:
> you say the MoQ
> dissolves the s/o split by encasing it within itself as the
> intellectual level, leaving MoQ as a meta-level a 5th level if you
> will (reality you say).
You seem genuinely interested in the MOQ (I don't say SOL because
it's the only way to interpret the MOQ that sets it apart), and how it
"encases" SOM is the very crux.
> in effect, in your interpretation the order would be:
> 1: MoQ (reality)
> 2: SOM (intellect)
> 3: social
> 4: organic
> 5: inorganic
Yes, it will look like this ... only I would put intellect (the level) in
its
proper place and put SOM in parenthesis. The MOQ is the DQ/SQ
reality that replaces the former Subject/Object reality, so you see each
level can be regarded as reality (or metaphysics) that has replaced the
former.
> By virtue of your own container logic, a level can not both be a level
> and be the cause of the system. your choices, as I see them from this
> formulation is either subjectivism or infinite regress in meta-levels.
> Is there another way in which this works?
The container logic isn't mine, it's used by Pirsig in LILA *) and is
universal. Why you see it as subjectivism I don't get. Subjectivism and
objectivism has no bearing outside the 4th. level. Infinite regress
likewise, SOL avoids the said infinite regress that orthodoxy spawns.
Quality as different from MOQ's DQ demands a QUALITY (slash)
DQ/SQ metaphysics, but as this is a metaphysics too it requires
another QUALITY (SLASH) Quality (slash) DQ/SQ one ... and so on
ad nausea.
But elaborate on these points if you feel for it.
Bo
*) LILA:
This problem of trying to describe value in terms of substance
has been the problem of a smaller container trying to contain a
larger one. Value is not a subspecies of substance.
Substance is a subspecies of value. When you reverse the
containment process and define substance in terms of value
the mystery disappears: substance is a "stable pattern of
inorganic values." The problem then disappears. The world of
objects and the world of values is unified.
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