Ron: You made the accusation of radical subjectivism, solopsism in fact. Solopsism posits that external reality is non existent that physical reality is generated by the mind.
[Krimel] I did not accuse anyone of anything I asked how the notion that patterns are conceptual differed from radical subjectivism or solipsism. [Ron] We posit that external reality does exist, and that the human expereince is a novel based on a true story. Therefore expereinced reality is a type of interpretation of "real events". The pisser is, ultimate reality is comprehended by reduction, abstraction, simplification and limits in the reception and interpretation of qualia thus ultimate reality may never be fully conceptualized for what it "IS". Leaving it ultimately and absolutely undefineable. [Krimel] By "We" I take it you mean you and me. I am not sure that is a majority opinion even amongst the Marsha, Ham, you and I. I would agree that reality may not be fully conceptualizable but I don’t think that renders is "absolutely undefinable." Rather I would suggest it makes any definition of reality probabilistic. As for "ultimate reality" I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. I am also curious about your use of the term qualia which I understand to be a technical term for what is "like" to have an experience. [Ron] Pirsigs approach to empiricism is along the lines of modern Physicists, the harmony between inductive expereince and deductive reason takes inductive expereince as prime. [Krimel] While I don't know what inductive experience is I suspect I agree with this. [Ron] This is the test of a "true" meta-physics, that it relflect and lead current attitudes in Physics. Which it does. [Krimel] Are us suggesting that the MoQ is leading physics? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
