Ham, all, Rich thread, nice, elegant...well done.
thanks--mel > > Ordinarily I would abstain from discussions that seek to explain Pirsig's > meanings. > But this one addresses a concept so fundamental to his philosophy that > clarifying it should eliminate much of the cross-purpose talking that goes > on here. > <snip> > > You folks have cleared up the misconception of a Pirsig's phrase, although I > doubt that anyone new to the MD would comprehend your clarification. So, at > the risk of being criticized for departing from official MoQ terminology, > let me try to translate the problem in plain English. > > Ron rightly contends that Pirsig's Menu/Reality analogy, which includes the > statement that substance is a "stable pattern of inorganic values", leads to > a false conclusion; namely, that the objective world "contains" the value > pattern, which makes values an experienced subset of physical reality. In > an attempt to rectify this misconception, Bovar has proposed that Intellect > be regarded as a "universal" level from which patterns, relations, and logic > are derived. But Pirsig clearly states that value is not a "subspecies of > substance" and, in fact, it actually "defines substance". > > The cause of the confusion, it seems to me, is that although Pirsig posited > Intellect as the highest of four "static" levels in his Metaphysics of > Quality (SODV), he never described its epistemology relative to Value (DQ) > which, because it is "dynamic", transcends static level allocations. > Despite the confusion, it's apparent that at least three of us understand > that the "patterning" of Value is conceptual, which is to say that objective > phenomena are the intellectual constructs of value perception. > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
