This is a great thread folks ... I've read about 40% of the contributions. Just wanted to express a couple of angles ...
Earlier ... the historical angle is the common basis to find agreement with Bo (I hadn't checked out the Comte connection, but it's credible) Later ... throughout history the menu and the meal have co-evolved cyclically ... the menu described the best understanding of the food and the understanding of the food determined what was descibed on the menu. We should not be surprised to find this returning to the phenomenal. Life the Universe and Everything (as we know it Jim) is "as we know it". Our knowledge of reality evolves. Probabalistic statements about what exists beyond what is currently "known" are just more of the same, mind-games, evolutionary psychology. The circularity of the interplay between the presumed not-yet- understood "reality" and the "understood" reality is for me the clincher that we have the right model. Accepting the phenomenal (perceived reality, an epistemology) does not deny the presumed existence of the not-yet-perceived (ontological) reality .. it is just an honest expression of how the two are dynamically related. Ian On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 03:02 AM 11/14/2008, you wrote: > >> >Ham: >> > Despite the confusion, it's apparent that at least three of us >> > understand that the "patterning" of Value is conceptual, which is to >> > say that objective phenomena are the intellectual constructs of value >> > perception. >> >> >> Bo: >> No confusion anywhere. The patterns being conceptual!!! Christ, >> what's not conceptual in the sense of being conveyed by language? > > > Bo, > > While I understand spovs to be conceptual, no way do I understand that to > mean they are confined to language. Images may be part of any spov, or > there may be an auditory part of a spov. What do you think? > > Marsha > > > > > > > > . > . > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a reflection > of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end. > . > . > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
