Hello Krimel,
Ron:
You made the accusation of radical subjectivism, solopsism in fact.
Solopsism posits that external reality is non existent that physical reality
is generated by the mind.
[Krimel]
I did not accuse anyone of anything I asked how the notion that patterns are
conceptual differed from radical subjectivism or solipsism.
Ron:
I meant accusation in a general way.
[Ron]
We posit that external reality does exist, and that the human expereince
is a novel based on a true story. Therefore expereinced reality is a type of
interpretation of "real events".
The pisser is, ultimate reality is comprehended by reduction, abstraction,
simplification and limits in the reception and interpretation of qualia thus
ultimate reality may never be fully conceptualized for what it "IS". Leaving
it ultimately and absolutely undefineable.
[Krimel]
By "We" I take it you mean you and me. I am not sure that is a majority
opinion even amongst the Marsha, Ham, you and I.
I would agree that reality may not be fully conceptualizable but I don’t
think that renders is "absolutely undefinable." Rather I would suggest it
makes any definition of reality probabilistic. As for "ultimate reality" I
have no idea what that is supposed to mean. I am also curious about your use
of the term qualia which I understand to be a technical term for what is
"like" to have an experience.
Ron:
when I say absolutely I mean definitively, "any definition of reality is
probablistic"
is what I was after.
[Ron]
Pirsigs approach to empiricism is along the lines of modern Physicists, the
harmony between inductive expereince and deductive reason takes inductive
expereince as prime.
[Krimel]
While I don't know what inductive experience is I suspect I agree with this.
[Ron]
This is the test of a "true" meta-physics, that it relflect and lead current
attitudes in Physics.
Which it does.
[Krimel]
Are us suggesting that the MoQ is leading physics?
Ron:
figurativly, and perhaps that IS stretching things but it does reflect current
theory rather accurately.
thanks Krimel
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