Ian, Almost as if SOM need a metaphysical exoskelleton and MOQ grows tree-like with the tension and flex built of itself...
thanks--mel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Trance state > Craig, I know you don't see that with the MoQ there is no gap, that's > my point. The gaps are a feature of SOMism. > > Only in SOMism do we think of "a metaphysics" as an object to be > defined distinct from reality. > > I think your allegory is stretching the metaphysical point, But, in > the same way as in the poem you cite, the poetry and the tree are the > same reality, the real "trophy" in winning a tournament is the quality > (joy) of winning .... if it's winning that you value; there are of > course other joys to be had in participating. The silver-plated tin > thing is an object, a token in the SOMist world. > > Ian > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:31 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "I think that I will never see > > A poem as lovely as a tree." > > (Joyce Kilmer) > > > > [ian] > >> SOMist gap between a metaphysics and the > >> world it describes > >> The gap means > >> SOMism fails, when it comes to metaphysics. > > > > The MoQ might be a better explanation/description > > of reality than SOM, but I don't see how the MoQ > > eliminates the gap, as you require a successful > > metaphysics to do. > > It's like the alleged "gap" between the joy of > > winning the World Cup & the World Cup trophy. > > Craig > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
