Hello Steve and Ian. 23 Nov.Steve wrote to Ian who had said:
> > Only in SOMism do we think of "a metaphysics" as an object to be > > defined distinct from reality. Steve: > In the MOQ, a metaphysics is not an object or a subject. It is an idea > or collection of ideas. It is an intellectual pattern of value. It is > not distinct from reality. It is part of the reality it describes. If > it couldn't describe itself, it wouldn't be much of a metaphysics. I agree with Ian. With SOM the term "metaphysics" as the most basic understanding of reality was born. In other words SOM began as the attitude that we are able to understand the workings of reality. This is the "cosmologist" (objectivity) but along with it subjectivity immediately came into existence (the Sophists). And ever since the S and the O has been involved in a see-saw play: . Ian says "...we think of a metaphysics as an object to be defined distinct from reality" may be true for some, but the most common variety is metaphysics as a subjective theory about objective reality, The point is the original Greek "primary/secondary" dichotomy began with Truth/Appearance" (Socrates) and what Plato made into "Ideas/Shadows" and Aristotle into: "Substance/Form" ...where the modern scientific (matter/mind) attitude was born. Steve's "In the MOQ, a metaphysics is not an object or a subject" brings "metaphysics" out of SOM-land, but then to say that "...it is a collection of ideas" brings it back again and "..it is not distinct from reality" retrieves it. It's like LILA that starts with the correct Q view of metaphysics as reality itself "No one living in an ordered universe is outside metaphysics", but then switches to reality as the objective part and metaphysics (the MOQ included) the subjective part .. and SOM rules the waves. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
