Exactly Mel, I have no problem with a thing built of itself. The recursion works for me.
Ian On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:57 PM, ml <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian, > > Almost as if SOM need a metaphysical exoskelleton > and MOQ grows tree-like with the tension and flex > built of itself... > > thanks--mel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:09 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Trance state > > >> Craig, I know you don't see that with the MoQ there is no gap, that's >> my point. The gaps are a feature of SOMism. >> >> Only in SOMism do we think of "a metaphysics" as an object to be >> defined distinct from reality. >> >> I think your allegory is stretching the metaphysical point, But, in >> the same way as in the poem you cite, the poetry and the tree are the >> same reality, the real "trophy" in winning a tournament is the quality >> (joy) of winning .... if it's winning that you value; there are of >> course other joys to be had in participating. The silver-plated tin >> thing is an object, a token in the SOMist world. >> >> Ian >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:31 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > "I think that I will never see >> > A poem as lovely as a tree." >> > (Joyce Kilmer) >> > >> > [ian] >> >> SOMist gap between a metaphysics and the >> >> world it describes >> >> The gap means >> >> SOMism fails, when it comes to metaphysics. >> > >> > The MoQ might be a better explanation/description >> > of reality than SOM, but I don't see how the MoQ >> > eliminates the gap, as you require a successful >> > metaphysics to do. >> > It's like the alleged "gap" between the joy of >> > winning the World Cup & the World Cup trophy. >> > Craig >> > >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
