Hi Marsha, Arlo, Ron, I dabbled in pacificism for a while, but Pirsig among others convinced me that humans are not intrinsically good. This is not to say that they are intrinsically evil, either. Pragmatists have given up for looking for essences which includes trying to talk about human nature as good or evil because we don't want to talk about an essence of humanity either.
Can we achieve are goals without ever resorting to violence (including participating in a governement that has a police force and a military)? I doubt it. As Ken Wilbur pointed out, the only thing that has ever controlled violence is stronger violence in saner hands. Best, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
