[Marsha] In place of 'causes', the Buddhist might say 'mutually interdependent causes and conditions'. I think this is closer to RMP's use of 'value', where value creates both subject and object.
[Krimel] Or the enlightened Buddhist speak of probability. That last point is one of the few points I kind of agree with Ham about. Pirsig's claim makes sense as phenomenology. All experience carries with it a sense of value. We are attracted (positive value) or repelled (negative value) to one degree or another by our experiences. This is not a rational process. It is automatic and I would argue to a large extent hardwired into us. From that phenomenological experience of value we derive a sense of subjects and objects. But to claim that value is some metaphysical entity decomposing into subjects and objects is just hyperbole. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
