DMB, I read this and Bodvar's response and I was very interested in your line of thinking. I won't necessarily take side, other to say that Bodvar's responses (as well as yours) always make me think a bit deeper about MOQ/SOM/ and intellect and what it means. I have long advocated that getting to the bottom of this question about intellect is and I believe that some day we will get there.
DMB: It is extremely frustrating because you tend to dismiss every credible explanation and every voiced objection and apparently it doesn't matter that these explanations come from the author, the only guy in the world with a Ph.D. in the MOQ or from a Master's student like me. Why is this not good enough for you? How do you figure that you know better than people who've actually studied philosophy? It probably seems outrageous for me to say something like this, but Jesus, how about a little humility, a little deference? I suppose it's not impossible but what are the chances that Pirsig, McWatt and I are all wrong about the MOQ while you alone understand it? I'd say the chances are pretty damn slim. Mati: Hmmm.... I think that Bodvar's situation is similar to Pirsig when he first stated on this journey. He was alone and the majority of the academic world steeped in SOM discredited Pirsig as well. I would suggest that academic bully pulpit isn't where the truth is. MOQ as a philosophical basis has been and continues to be pinned by a similar bully pulpit In the end the truth is found in our own humanity and our capacity to understand ourselves. It might be a small consolation that with my own doctorate I have long suggested that Bodvar has made the most personal sense to me with SOL. No I lack the personal philosophical background to play in the big leagues as both you and Ant. but Bodvar has been an underdog that has held his own and I respect that. DMB And what, by contrast, have you brought to the table? As far as I can tell, nothing but a weird little pet theory that doesn't make sense, that nobody in a position to know can agree with. To be less than kind about it, this borders on the delusional. Thus, you're freaking me out. Mati: Hmmm.... I consider you one of the best in so much of what you have contributed to MD. But again I would caution you with the broad discrediting brush you use to suggest Bodvar has not brought anything to the table. The fact remains I can't think of anybody who has stirred the pot better, on the issue of intellect, than Bodvar. It remains, in my mind, to be seen if he can be discredited by arguement alone, I have sincerely consider many of the arguements over the years and as long time fan of Pirsig work and many others contributions on MD, I personally believe that his SOL has not been knocked out yet. But keep dishing it out. :-) Mati Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
