Bo,
I just wanted to remind you that "The MOQ is not opposed to
materialism as long is it is understood that materialism is a set of
ideas." (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) Sometimes I just do not
want to get into a discussion with you because I do not understand
your view about "material" and have little faith that you can explain
it so that I understand it. So I just wanted to insert a reminder
that both "material" and "material world" are mere static patterns of
value, a set of ideas. I am not denying a reality external to our
minds, just that concepts about such a world are static patterns of value.
Marsha
At 08:59 AM 2/28/2009, you wrote:
Marsha
28 Feb. you wrote:
> Material? Material world? Both mere static patterns of value!
Can't you at least give us an indication who you speak to? As it's my
post to Platt below maybe it's me, but as you obviously don't see that
it is the intellectual level I refer to.......phew. Please go back to your
easel and stay there - long.
Bo
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> At 04:17 AM 2/28/2009, you wrote:
> >Hello Platt
> >
> >27 Feb.:
> >
> >Bo before:
> > > > See, social, inorganic and biological values are made into
> > > > intellectual "signs" and "manipulated independently ...etc"
> > > > exactly as SOM sees language as an abstract shadow of the real
> > > > world. All this go against the very grain of the real MOQ that
> > > > has relegated the S/O - mind/matter - distinction as intellect's
> > > > value. I.e. this is all INSIDE the 4th. level .
> >
> >Platt:
> > > Probably a stupid question: "What else is inside the 4th level?"
> >
> >Nothing else than S/O patterns. But allow me a little "chautauqua".
> >The very idea of the static levels is that they are built on top of
> >the former, thus the intellectual level is like the proverbial
> >iceberg with its intellectual value held above the surface by the
> >enormous mass of the lower levels. Yet, from the top seen everything
> >is intellectual ice. That's the point: all levels transform
> >everything below into own value (what's above is "alien"). Living
> >organisms do not "know" any inorganic patterns, it's either a fit
> >environment or not.. Social organisms (humans) see everything as
> >useful or useless regarding their common cause, and as said intellect
> >"looks down on creation" through its S/O glasses and see it all as
> >preparations for the emergence of mind. So it's no lack of content,
> >all existence is a material world perceived by a mind - or a material
> >world having spawned mind, dependent on being a materialist or an
> >idealist.
> >
> > > If nothing else, doesn't that make the 4th level the exclusive
> > > site of S/O metaphysics?
> >
> >Yes, the 4th. level is SOM - all of it, every last bit! Minus the M
> >which is taken over by the MOQ, that now sees everything below itself
> >as Quality levels.
> >
> >Thanks for asking. Platt
> >
> >Bo
> >
> >
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