DMB, And finally, a little note for Mati. I noticed that you more or less equated the social level with mysticism. I think that would be a fairly substantial mistake. Myths are among the social level patterns and they contain a mystical message symbolically but the mystical reality itself is DQ and so it can't be equated with any kind of static pattern. That's the same reason why the MOQ (static intellect) is different from the Dynamic Quality it talks about.
Mati: I understand this subject is your passion and I sincerely pursue this question with a healthy amount of respect for you. Yes there is a substantial amount of symbolism in the mysticism which is reflective of the social levels, especially as it relates to the “mystically reality”. Many have tried to understand how this DQ aspect in MOQ fits in the big picture. My personal view of DQ is that it is the agent of change that moves toward quality and yet is part of reality itself. Obviously from my perspective reality is the coexistence of both DQ/SQ. DQ has not been defined and if I understand Pirsig right, it can’t be defined. Yet that doesn’t stop people from trying including those who closely hold to the mystic reality. I believe that the social level recognized both SQ/DQ but did not understand their relationship from a metaphysical perspective, and I doubt that they can. Yes they can recognize this relationship of DQ/SQ but really can’t understand it out of the social context. I think it would be a stretch to suggest that this symbolism found in mysticism is in itself a form of static intellect pattern. Yup, it can see DQ but it does not have the capacity to understand it metaphysically. To do so would undercut many of the premises of mysticism that allowed it to see the DQ in the first place. I would suggest that any explanation or understanding of DQ from a mystical perspective would in the end be tied to the social level. Now I think there is a real benifit to study what the mystics had to say about DQ and try to assist us in understanding its beauty and capacity of DQ patterns from an intellectual/metaphyscial perspective. Respectfully submitted, Mati Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
